i really think the government's too big. i think we're outside the bounds of the enumerated powers and i think the problem is too big government we need to put it on a very strict atkins' style diet and lose about six or eight inches in its waistband. but i don't agree with him when it comes to tax expenditures that are stupid and calling that a tax increase if you take away the direct payments to somebody to get the todo something they already have todo. so in philosophy i agree, we need a smaller government, a more limited government, a more effective vernment, but i think the idea of somebody outside of congress telling us what our tax policy would be is ludicrous. >> rose: (laughs) this is what... i should make a point that we invited senator durbin and senator conrad tonight as well a they'll appear hopefully later this week. this is what david brooks said, as you well know. "if the republican party were a normal party it would take advantage of this amazing moment. it is being offered trillions of dollars in spending c